Sunday, November 20, 2016

SUCH A GREAT HEADLINE!

Byrnes cuts seminary’s ties to Neocatechumenal Way

When Coadjutor Archbishop Michael Jude Byrnes signed documents to regain full control of the Redemptoris Mater Seminary property in Yona, he also cut the seminary’s ties to the Neocatechumenal Way by, among other things, making sure the seminarians will be prepared for priesthood in accordance with the precepts of the Holy Roman Catholic faith. CONTINUED

40 comments:

  1. What an awesome headline to wake up to since midnight. Lol. Where's DICK eusabio and his goon squad? They've been silent since the truth came out through mother dawn.

    I'm glad the hotel is back in the diocese hands but I'm very cautious to these neos who have influenced and shown their TRUE colors within the Catholic Church in Guam. They need to TERMINIX all their A$$es from Guam or be afforded to start their own religion seperate from the true Catholic Church and let them fund themselves.

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    1. Yes, they should start their own church and practice whatever they like, and of course they should find themselves.

      But first, they should return all the pilfered funds they have stolen from the Catholic Church of Guam. That includes all the money given illicitly to Apuron, Pius, Gennarini, and Kiko.

      Also, if people are serious about seeing these crooks behind bars, they do what the FBI finally did to put Capone behind bars. Look at tax evasion. Apuron and his cronies would never file these ill gotten gains on their taxes, so imprison them for that.

      Look at the secret NCW bank accounts Shaun LG enabled thru BOG, which are in the Archdiocese umbrella. Follow the money and drive these crooks to DOC.

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    2. No. They should not start their own church and practice whatever they like. Why do we want to promote heresy? Our duty is to evangelize them back into the True Church, not send them away. I know of several members who are looking for a way to leave.

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    3. However, I do differentiate between the average neo member and the kikos.

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    4. While we hold out a lot of hope NCW members can reunite with the Church there are some who are so entrenched in the cult they might be a lost cause. We should continue to pray for them none the less.

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    5. I agree, Andrew. I, too, believe that while we pray that many “Neos of goodwill” (as I call them) will come home, there will be some who have been so indoctrinated into the NCW cult (or too proud to admit their mistake), that they will hold on to their errors – no matter what. While they may be “lost causes”, we should continue to pray for them out of Christian charity. Time for healing. “There’s a time for every season under heaven" - so a song goes, I think. Be on the lookout for a letter to the editor on this in PDN from me. (jrsa: 11/20/16)

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    6. There are some good people who are Neos, but they were good even before they joined.

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    7. I was no longer on board the Way from 22 years ago (after 8 years in) because of what I witnessed at that time under my nose. 19 years ago I was ready to leave it. A person appointed by my diocese to help ex-members by means of a new group was quoted in a public periodical as making disparaging remarks about the mentality of members. I nonetheless urged his superior to set up a similar group (under the guidance of a different individual) nearer to my home as that one was a long distance off anyway. That didn't happen and I and fellow members in my neighbourhood were thus "driven" back into the arms of the movement for another 19 years and counting (a pincer movement a k a dialectic). We had mostly become friends together, our itinerants were increasingly mild-mannered and patronising, and there's nothing wrong with holding Bible studies in your homes - though the itinerants took pains to ensure it would continue to amount to a lot more than that. Two or three years ago I got irritated by the personal attitude of the dominant ones among the few remaining members. By that time some genuine believers had started to include me in good substitute activities. I discovered Tim's and Chuck's and other sites more recently.

      In your interactions both personal and if you have a LFM or CCOG hat on, also if you are in diocesan or parish authority, please find language to single out very differently between ordinary members and those more implicated. Concentrate on their deeds more than on their persons. Beware of becoming stooges for the aforementioned dialectic - which the Way deliberately factors into their calculations and strategies everywhere. I am very sympathetic to your feelings. The harms done in my locality are more "under wraps".

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  2. Totally agree with Anonymous @ 6:12 AM. Start your own religion NEOS! The money from the True Katolikus have run dry! Build your own buildings or continue to hold your services in hotels or authorized gyms. I really do not care how but there will be NO MORE MONEY FROM THE KATOLIKUS - We have been telling this to you from DAY ONE!

    We still have to get rid of apuRUN! Once that is done, we can begin to build our TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH, cleansing All The Evilness That Have Been Done!

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  3. Archbishop Byrnes has not yet stepped foot on Guam and already I'm giving him high marks. Unlike for Hon. Up to now, I am still wary of Hon due to his past display at being a master of "double-speak." Although I must admit that Hon has shown a remarkable change in attitude since Archbishop Byrnes was appointed.

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    1. The move to make the change had already been initiated by Hon a month ago. Hon had to convince Byrnes to approve as well and Byrnes agreed. Hon deserves the credit as well.

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    2. @ Anon 10:30AM. It took a while and I am sure because of mostly bad behavior on the part of the NCW to convince Hon where the trouble actually existed. He deserves credit for coming around but it could have been much much sooner.

      I hope and pray that Abp. Byrnes is not dismissive of us when he arrives.

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    3. Perhaps, if Hon had made public his moves too soon, a counter faction could have caused the delay of the appointment of someone like Byrne appears to be, and an action by an "Apostolic Administrator" could conceivably be portrayed by some as of less lasting value than of a "Coadjutor with full faculties"? Hon's existence may have been on a knife edge. I hope that comes as a warning to dicastery heads who place too much premium on a quiet life (for themselves if not for their staff). Let's continue to be kind to the Pope, the pressures on whom must defy belief. Let's not forget the threats against others. And I think the many core issues, though secure morally, need more prayer to become totally secure practically.

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  4. If Archbishop Byrnes is a "Coadjutor Archbishop," does that mean that apuron is also a "Coadjutor?" I am troubled by the "Coadjutor" part of Archbishop Byrnes' title. Is that like being a co-owner, or a co-signer, or co-equal?
    Please let us have some thoughts on why Rome would go to the trouble of adding that word to the title of Archbishop for Byrnes. Thank you.

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    1. In the Roman Catholic Church, a coadjutor bishop[1] is an immediate collaborator of the diocesan bishop, similar to an auxiliary bishop.[2] Unlike auxiliary bishops, coadjutors are given the right of succession to the episcopal see, meaning that when the diocesan bishop dies, retires, resigns or is reassigned, the coadjutor automatically becomes the next bishop of the local Church (diocese). Until then, the diocesan bishop appoints the coadjutor to act as vicar general. He needs to be ordained and generally holds a titular see until his succession.

      In modern church practice, the appointment of a coadjutor is usually done in cases where a diocesan bishop feels that he will not be able to continue in his position for health reasons or because he is nearing retirement age. In these cases the Pope may assign a coadjutor in order to give him time to become familiar with the diocese that he will eventually take over. Such was the case when Bishop Dennis Marion Schnurr of the Diocese of Duluth, Minnesota, was named Coadjutor Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, Ohio, in 2008 to succeed aging Archbishop Daniel Edward Pilarczyk, who had been serving as archbishop since the early 1980s. Another example is the appointment of San Antonio Archbishop Jose Gomez to succeed Cardinal Roger Mahony as Archbishop of Los Angeles when Mahony retired at age 75 in February 2011.

      At times, the appointment of a coadjutor is used to discreetly remove a diocesan bishop who has become involved in scandal or other problems. An example of this occurred in the Archdiocese of Dubuque in the 1940s, when Archbishop Francis Beckman involved the archdiocese in what turned out to be a dubious mining scheme. When the scheme fell apart and the man behind the scam was arrested, the fallout resulted in serious financial problems for Beckman and the archdiocese. Because of all of the archbishop's problems, Bishop Henry Rohlman of Davenport, Iowa, was appointed Coadjutor Archbishop of Dubuque. While Beckman was allowed to retain the office of Archbishop, it was made clear to him by the Holy See that the actual power rested with Rohlman. Beckman soon retired and left Dubuque. Another example would be that of Cardinal Pedro Segura y Sáenz, whose responsibilities as Archbishop of Seville were given to his Coadjutor Archbishop José Bueno y Monreal.[3]

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    2. The key are the words "with special faculties" attached to Byrnes appointment.

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    3. Thank you Anon @Nov 20/8:42 a.m. and Tim for your comments. It helped clarify my thinking. I guess what I really wanted to know is what powers/authority will apuron have if he comes back with his title intact and not defrocked/laicized, and with Archbishop Byrnes around at the same time. May I impose on you both (and anyone else) to carry this conversation just a little further? Thanks in advance.

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    4. Since the moment the Pope names a coadjutor bishop for Guam, Byrnes can govern the diocese with "all the powers", if allowed to say. If he was an auxiliar bishop, he would not have the same powers, not in every fields, if allowed to say. It is the common or usual Pope's choice when the bishop, here Apuron, is not going to continue. Being a coadjutor bishop, Byrnes will be the bishop of Agana automaticaly once Apuron will be ceased.
      Even in the remote case, very, very improbable, that Apuron would be declared innocent and would continue as bishop of Agana, Byrnes would stay as auxiliary bishop.
      It talks many volumes, as you say in English.
      Only Diana and neos belive Apuron will come back one day as if everything had been a simple nightmare.
      Out of their ilussion, things paint very dark for Apuron to continue as bishop.

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    5. Thank you LAPAZ. But, does apuron still have any powers/authority if he comes back with the title of archbishop?

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    6. He does not as of now. However, all must be seen in the context of the disarray in Rome and the power of the Kiko's. As I've said before, Apuron can make the case that he is being illegally (canonically) kept from his position and until Rome proves something he must be restored to his office. Anyone following the mess in Rome right now knows that the pope is much distracted by other things and has probably turned this over to, guess who? Filoni.

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    7. I posed a similar question to my spiritual advisor recently. She said if Apuron comes back as archbishop with authority restored the religious would join us in the protests. What a sight that would be!!!

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  5. And the old fogies strike again!!! Dancing on Tinian! "In the Jungle the mighty the Jungle... Heading to Mass. Sorry I couldn't finish the song for you Neos!

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  6. Can someone post a dancing banana?

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  7. Alleluia! No more preysbiters, Gennarini's & Stinking Monks. Rebuild the Church.

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  8. So what happens to that monkey fist bumping a$$ Waldo? Or what happens to the fake priests that were ordained and sent out on missions? Like Luis the pedophile and the other monkeys who were seen on kuam wearing a collar and pretending to be priests? I for sure won't acknowledge them as priests if they came from RMS. Their neocult teachings are not the same as the true Catholic teachings. That's just my own personal opinion.

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    1. The Waldo was offered a "save face" exit. Become the Chaplain of the DOC, get your own studio @ the Cathedral. Use that time to really learn humility and become a real priest.
      He declined, in order to become a Pius Jr.
      The new Archbishop will have to deal with the disobedience and the arrogance

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    2. What do you mean Fenchie! Waldo here had made himself at Home at the Cathedral. Just watching him walk into the lanai after the 6pm weekly masses with his nose up in the air was sickening. The attitude of "watch out everyone, here comes the KING." I'd offer my cesspool as a studio, but the stench is bad enough. No need to pollute it more with his TOXIC attitude.

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    3. The only neo presbyters that attended the Mass to close the Jubile Year of Mercy on Saturday were Julio and Michael. Julio looked up to the ceiling for the most part, and truly looked like he really didn't want to be there.

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  9. I think the KAKA filled Dungbat has a point; as long as the Seminary continues to have NEO Cult Presbyters as teachers, then nothing has changed.


    DianaNovember 20, 2016 at 7:27 AM
    Dear Anonymous at 6:58 am,

    IN case you have not noticed, operations at RMS is the same as usual. The words were cut from a piece of paper, but the life and study of the seminarians remains untouched.

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    1. It was a first step. One thing at a time. Keep up the protest.

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    2. It's a silly response from "Diana." Everything has changed and the changes will take time to implement.

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    3. "Time keeps on slipping into the future." "Do, do, do-do."

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  10. Good riddance! Now the formation of priests can be done properly and not in some funky, phony, made up way (no pun intended) by the neos. More importantly, the seminary in Yona will be used accordingly per the generous donation of the Carmelite Nuns.

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  11. Ohhhh did you hear that????..... Wait, wait wait.... Awwwhhhh....silence from the neos.. Poor DICK Eusabio and his goofy gang of stupid neos are so QUIET. Do they have a comeback to mother dawn's revaluation? Stay tune cause the stupid neos think THEY are being prosecuted and that it was THEY who asked for Hon to be replaced. THANKFULLY THEY got their wish answered and now it's good riddence to the neocult way.

    What was DICK Eusabios group called again? Something about apuRUN's innocence? What a joke. Wait till the courts are three with that one. Lol

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    1. Dang spellcheck. Lol. Was supposed to revalation not revaluation. And was supposed to be through not three in the last sentence. Now I'm sounding like one of those neos who need esl as a refresher course. Lol.

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    2. Eusebio. Revelation. Stay tuned. Because. Persecuted. Riddance. Eusebio's. Through. We got the message. Just don't rush too much next time. Haste makes waste. You are better than ESL, you've had American education.

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    3. Predictive text, not spellcheck. Then again, on Guam and everything's spellcheck here. LOL! Peace!

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  12. Yep, everything was normal until Ric put on the alb. That deserves a re-run.

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  13. Although the NCW lost RMS, there's nothing to stop them from forming an independent seminary and church on Guam. It's unlikely that de facto excommunication would bother the wealthy reprobates because they aren't Catholic.

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    1. Nah. They'd have to use their own money.

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