Monday, June 1, 2015

IT'S UP TO US

18 comments:

  1. A suggestion. Can anyone take a picture of Venerable Fulton Sheen right now, and enlarge it for our next CCOG meeting this Thursday in Dededo to be placed in front for everyone to see?
    For it is us the laity to remind our priest to be priest and bishops to be bishops.
    Thank you and God bless!

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  2. Regarding the picture to be posted at every CCOG meeting and shown up front.
    Thank you from my heart. God bless!

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  3. Janet B - MangilaoJune 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    Thank you Archbishop Fulton Sheen. A man we can truly look up to. Not only Catholics, but people throughout the nation used to tune in to hear his words of advice and explanations. He was a gifted and holy man. Unfortunately, we couldn't watch him back in the day, he wasn't shown on Guam. But I love the reruns on EWTN. I even bought the DVD set. Now all I have to do is get my children to watch.

    While we didn't have Archbishop Sheen for spiritual enlightenment, we once had good and holy leaders. Bishop Baumgartner and Archbishop Flores were very good leaders, and commanded respect. Archbishop Flores knew the issues he had to speak on, and he would get the government to back away when they were approaching dangerous moral territory.

    Alas, those good days are long gone. All we have now is a hollow man, thrust into a position he is ill-equipped for because of the untimely death of a true leader. We have been subjected to a man, who was once Franciscan, but obviously never had the heart of Frances. A ruthless man who hates people who question his authority or motives. A man with a lot of secrets, and a lot of effort to keep those secrets hidden. A greedy man who looks after his needs and the needs of his friends but completely ignores the flock entrusted to him. A spiritually empty man, who needs his faith propped up by a cult, even though he is "supposed" to be our spiritual stalwart. An immature and lonely man that cannot develop real friends, so he surrounds himself with people who befriend him so they can usurp his power.

    You think I am being too mean? Maybe, but it is all true. I just to give him the benefit of the doubt, but the evidence is just too stinking obvious.

    The good neos should really evaluate the situation, because unless you start petitioning Rome to have him removed as well, you are likely to lose the movement you hold dear. While I would never join the NeoCatecomical Way because of the crazy fruits I see in it, I will admit that I also have seen several people who became better persons because of it. You are the ones I am addressing, because I do not want you to be hurt.

    I care nothing for Tony and his band of merry thieves. But once Rome finally does the only thing possible to put an end to this disaster, will you still have a movement to follow? The longer this goes on the less likely the movement will survive on Guam, maybe even throughout the world.

    I personally think that would be great, but I know this will hurt some. So, for you good neos out there, this is your chance. You know that what Tim Rohr has said is true. All of it. But so far you have remained silent, most likely out of fear. Fear that you will be rejected by your community - your "new family". But your silence will only cause greater harm and result in radical changes or elimination of the movement you hold so dear.

    Archbishop Fulton Sheen speaks direct.

    to be continued...

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    1. His show was broadcast here. My great uncle would always watch.

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  4. Janet B - MangilaoJune 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    continuation...

    Archbishop Fulton Sheen speaks direct. Who will save our Church? The laity! We are doing our part, by bringing these issues up to Rome. Still, they harbor doubt or lack of will. If you want the NCW to survive, then you need to speak out NOW! You also need to demand that our bishop be a bishop. And since our bishop is wholly incapable of the task given him, the solution is to bring in a new bishop.

    But I warn you. Beware of the lies and deceits of the evil one. Those leaders in your way will do nothing for you that does not push their self-serving agenda. Those of us firmly planted in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church realize this. Some earlier than others, and some are still just now realizing how messed up our Church is. Go to a CCOG meeting and hear the other side...the true side. Then decide for yourself.

    Is the NCW worth my doing whatever I can to save the movement before it totally implodes?

    If so, then tell Rome what you know. Tell them every detail about true financial mismanagement. Tell them about the coercion applied to members who talk about leaving. Tell them about the liturgical abuses. Tell them about the heretical teachings. Tell them about the presbyters who have no respect for non-Neos and our cultural practices. Tell them about the beautiful favoritism showered upon all neos. Tell them every detail, and save the movement by demanding that Rome remove all the rotten apples in order to spare the barrel.

    Whatever you do, tell them before the stinking rot overtakes you as well.

    IT IS UP TO THE LAITY, NEO AND NON-NEO ALIKE.

    CCOG will answer any question you ask, all you need to do is listen with your heart and be guided by the Holy Spirit.

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  5. he looks evil....

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    1. Yes. Being a kiko, it is hard to see good.

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    2. LOL. 12:52 thinks Bishop Sheen looks evil. I guess we can tell what he does every Saturday at 7:30PM at St Anthony Church in his private "celebration".

      Real Catholics generally love the man pictured above.

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    3. Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen looks evil and Kiko is a dream.

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  6. Janet B - MangilaoJune 2, 2015 at 12:53 PM

    All good neos are invited to hear the truth revealed to the next CCOG meeting across from Santa Barbara Church at the Dededo Community Center on Thursday, June 4 at 6PM. It will be the best investment of time you have made.

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    1. Neo members may be SHUNNED for life. If I was a Neo, I would be a little curious and sneak. Just me.

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  7. Glad to be Back to Holy Mother ChurchJune 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM

    It is very disconcerting, the silence emanating from the Chancery these days. So many problems and so much silence.

    When will our leader speak about civil marriages? When will he speak about abortions and suicide? When will he speak about gambling? When will he speak about adultery?

    Rather than being proactive, all our leaders know how to act is to react. They do nothing when it should be done, but only react when it is too late.

    When will our Archbishop speak to us, the laity , about all the problems Tim Rohr has brought to his attention. If he was really interested in resolving these problems he should be meeting with his priests daily, and with Tim daily as well. Instead he hides.

    This is an inexcusable situation, yet all we get are excuses "Rome says I can't discuss them". Well, I'm finally ready to start talking to Rome about my experiences in the Way for more than 4 years. It is nothing new from what they have already been told, but maybe hearing it one more time will finally make a difference. I hope Rome hears about it at 20 more times.

    Thanks Janet.

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    1. The Chancery is silent because it has Diana to answer every question imaginable. Can anyone think of any questions about the three major religions that she hasn't answered with great authority?

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    2. Chancery hiding behind Diana's skirt because all their attempts to obfuscate and deceive the public has fallen way short. Funny thing is, Diana has not been successful either. What a bunch of buffoons!! LOL LOL

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  8. Sorry to say, many bishops are not up for the fight. Society is changing for the worse by the moment. People now think all choices are good and it is wrong to judge. Crickets. Apuron can go, for sure, for sure. Who would want to take his place?

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  9. None of this is easy not for Neo's not for regular Catholics. Deep emotional feelings are involved on both sides. Keeping a focus on the documentation is one sure way that will help stay focused on the real issues. Neo's who leave the way to return and embrace the regular Roman Catholic teachings must feel vulnerable and betrayed. To have your spiritual aspirations and trust betrayed has to be one of the absolute worst of all life experiences. I just hope there are small groups of people in each village prepared to nurture them back to wholeness with God's loving guidance and not negativity. They were and are doing the best they know how with what they have. Jesus taught love and that is certainly what they need now pressed down and over flowing. Otherwise stick to the facts.

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    1. Well said, 7:56 AM. Our hope is to welcome those who made errors of judgment through no fault of their own. The concept of forgiveness in the early church is to acknowledge faults that placed a wall between them, God and the community. In the Catholic tradition that evolved, we have the sacrament of reconciliation, understood as a way to be at-one again with the community. The priest became the representative of this community, and was given the power to forgive sins on behalf of the community and the grace of the Holy Spirit. Yes, I agree that those who admit their errors should be admitted back with love and compassion. After all, no one is perfect, and it should give each of us a way to look deeply into our own lives. The operative word is "admitting" error of judgment and be "accountable" for one's knowing the Truth. Yes, on the issue of the crisis in the Archdiocese, ley us stick to factual documentation, not purely emotional involvement.

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  10. tim, i read here (http://www.wheresfran.org/2015/06/settling-on-guam/) that fr. fran hezel is back on guam/has been back for about a week, serving with micronesian communities in dededo. he says he was invited here by the archbishop. normally, i would be excited because i have so much respect for fr. hezel, as a priest and historical researcher and advocate for micronesian peoples. but i guess with everything going on with the archbishop, it just makes me a bit wary. i may not be expressing my thoughts well, but i wonder if this is just a way to use fr. fran to connect with these people to pull them into the neo movement....or am i being too suspicious over nothing? i mean, if anyone is suited to assist with this community, fr. fran is great. i hate thinking of ulterior motives....but fr. fran could be influential too--but he answers now to the archbishop. and it's the archbishop's motives, i guess, that i question. we'll see what happens... thanks for reading my message.

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