Friday, June 26, 2015

KIKO CAME TO GUAM TO EVANGELIZE THE PAGANS

Diana is the gift that keeps on giving, exposing all that is supposed to be secret in the Neocatechumenal Way. It's supposed to be secret because the Kiko leaders KNOW that they have no permission to do what they do but have convinced their followers that the pope has given them said permission - convinced them by consistently lying to them. Check this out:


  1. And here's another revealing comment by her Diananess:

    "DianaJune 26, 2015 at 7:29 AM

    Dear Anonymous at 11:06 pm,

    It is our responsibility to be obedient to the Pope. He gave us permission to celebrate the way we celebrate the Eucharist. That permission had always been found in Kiko's 2006 thank you letter to the Pope. kiko thanked the Pope for many things, and one of them was giving them the permission to consume the Body of Christ sitting down. "

    So there it is - after all this time referring to some supposed verbal permission granted to the NCW by the pope, we can see that "she" is referring to a period of time immediately after the letter of Cardinal Arinze, and some two years prior to the promulgation of the final Statutes. If anyone needs reminding what those Statutes state, suffice it to say there is no permission for sitting down at the distribution and consumption of the Eucharist. In fact Cardinal Arinze's letter is referenced in the Statutes - but, you guessed it - Kiko's reply is not.

This little diatribe permits us to examine EXACTLY what was said. Upon the occasion of the letter from Kiko to the Pope to which Diana refers, the veteran Vatican blogger Sandro Magister had this to say (my comments in italics):



The Neocatechumenals Obey the Pope – But in Their Own Way

Communion continues to be given seated, as at a banquet. This is the upshot of a letter that the heads of the Way have written to Benedict XVI

by Sandro Magister

ROMA, March 6, 2006 – The founders and heads of the Neocatechumenal Way, Kiko Argüello (see photo), Carmen Hernández, and Father Mario Pezzi, have decided to obey the severe reprimand issued to them by Benedict XVI on January 12. But they did so with strong reservations over one point in particular: Eucharistic communion. 

Their act of partial obedience is found in a letter that they wrote to the pope on January 17. The letter – reproduced here below – was made public on February 27 by the Catholic website www.korazym.org. 

Benedict XVI’s reminder concerns the manner in which the Neocatechumenal groups celebrate the Mass. The pope wants them to conform to the prescriptions of the liturgical norms that are valid for the whole Church. 

For example, the Neocatechumenals receive communion seated, around an altar that is shaped and decorated like a large, square dinner table. They divide and consume a large unleavened loaf, made with two-thirds white flour and one-third whole wheat flour, which is prepared and baked for a quarter of an hour, all according to detailed rules established by Kiko. They drink the wine from cups that are passed from hand to hand, always in a seated position. 

But the pope wants them to “pass to the normal way in which the entire Church receives Holy Communion,” within no more than two years’ time. The details of this request and others are set forth in a letter dated December 1, 2005, written in the name of the pope to the heads of the Way by cardinal Francis Arinze, prefect of the Vatican congregation for the liturgy: a letter made public by www.chiesa. 

And so, in their reply to Benedict XVI, Kiko, Carmen, and Father Pezzi stated that they were willing to “follow in every way, with great respect and obedience, the rubrics of the Roman Missal.” They promised that they will make arrangements with the bishop of each diocese for their own members to participate in the Sunday Mass together with the rest of the faithful “at least one Sunday a month.” But on the crucial point of communion, they make it clear that they want to keep going their own way. 

They stop, in fact, at thanking the pope for granting them two more years. And then they return to defending their manner of distributing communion. They give as the model for this the “eschatological banquet” at which Christ has the disciples “sit down,” as written in Luke 12:37: “He will have them recline at table, and will come to wait on them.” Furthermore, they emphasize that giving communion “in this way” is an essential instrument for converting those who are far removed from the Church, and that abandoning it would compromise their mission. 

The letter to Benedict XVI from Kiko, Carmen, and Father Pezzi was also distributed by them to all the leaders of the Neocatechumenal Way, who received it as an official directive for their respective communities. 

At the end of the letter, the heads of the Way recall “the many bishops who have supported us.” In effect, at the synod on the Eucharist held in Rome last October there were bishops who asked for an extension of the method of taking communion while seated, as in use among the Neocatechumenals. 

One of these was the bishop of Agana, on the island of Guam, Anthony Sablan Apuron, president of the bishops’ conference of the Pacific. 

In a recent radio interview, Apuron again defended the practice of distributing communion as at a banquet, and downplayed the value of the letter from Cardinal Arinze. 

It is, in fact, the widespread opinion among the Neocatechumenals that Arinze’s letter is something provisional, modifiable, a simple “instrumentum laboris,” and that in the end their practice will receive substantive approval. 

This opinion remains current even after the reminder from Benedict XVI on January 12. 

In any case, this is the thought of neither Arinze nor the pope. In a February 15 interview with Vatican Radio, the cardinal prefect of the congregation for the liturgy restated that the letter is “the conclusion of the whole affair.” And this is how he explained the process that led to the writing of the letter: 

“The letter was occasioned by the results of the examination, conducted by this congregation, of how the Neocatechumenal Way has celebrated the Holy Mass for many years. […] For this examination we had a mixed commission of persons nominated by the Neocatechumenal Way and persons nominated by our congregation. The discussions brought up many of the practices that they employ during the Mass, […] and many of these were not in accordance with the approved books. This is the background. The entire situation was examined over many sessions of the mixed commission, for a period of two years or longer. And there was also, at the bidding of the Holy Father, a discussion among seven cardinals of the Roman curia, who examined everything. So this letter is the conclusion of the whole affair.” 

Did you get that Diana? The directive to cease sitting during communion was the "conclusion to the whole affair". Arinze's comment is dated Feb. 16. Kiko's letter is dated one month previously. 

What follows here is the letter written to the pope by the heads of the Neocatechumenal Way: 

Porto San Giorgio, January 17, 2006 

Dearest Father, 

The love of God the Father, the holy humility of Christ, and the consolation of the Holy Spirit be with You. 

We would like to thank You from the bottom of our hearts for the Audience You granted to us, with the sending forth of 200 families, and for Your words, in which You emphasized “the importance… of the Holy Mass in evangelization” and that – as “your long experience can well attest” – “the centrality of the mystery of Christ celebrated in the liturgical rites is a privileged and indispensable way to build living and persevering Christian communities.” 

After the Audience, all of the 700 itinerant catechists from all the nations met together, and we are very content with the “norms” that Cardinal Arinze, Prefect of the Congregation of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, imparted to us in Your name. In this regard, we wish to express our gratitude to You, to Cardinal Arinze, and to the Congregation for what is written in the letter. 

We renewed together our willingness to follow in everything, with great respect and obedience, the rubrics of the Roman Missal (Gloria, Credo, Lavabo, Orate fratres, Agnus Dei…). 

Mention is made of these parts because Kiko's liturgy left them out. 

With respect to the first point of the letter (“at least one Sunday per month, the Communities of the Neocatechumenal Way must participate in the Holy Mass of the parish community), each team of itinerant catechists will speak with the Bishop of each Diocese in order to arrange this participation, paying particular attention to the least brethren and those farthest away. 

Really? All the Vatican is asking is for the Kiko's to go to Mass on Sunday one Sunday per month. Why does Kiko have to speak to the bishops of each diocese to arrange this????

We also wish to thank you for the benevolence, mercy, and goodness You have shown to those farthest away in allowing the moving of the sign of peace and in granting a period of two years for the adaptation of the manner of distributing the Communion of the Body and the Blood of the Lord: we have always shown to the many brothers who have emerged from hell, full of wounds and of self-loathing, that in the Holy Eucharist the Lord makes present his love, dying and rising for them; and not only that, but prepares a table, an eschatological banquet, which makes Heaven present and where He himself, full of love, has them sit down and comes to serve them: “He will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them” (Lk 12:37). 

Moving the sign of peace to before the offertory was the only concession in the letter. Notice that there is no concession to remain seated. Kiko only thanks the Pope for giving them two years to change to the way required by the liturgical books. However, notice that he does not say he will do it. He goes on to explain why he WON'T DO IT.

In this way, every time we celebrate the Eucharist we experience the power this sacrament has to draw them into the Passover of Christ, bringing them from sadness to joy, from darkness to light, from death to life… 

The Lord is preparing a people to evangelize the pagans. There are millions of people today who do not know Christ. The reality is that the Lord is calling us to evangelize as Christian communities that make the life of heaven present in our midst. 

Yes, "evangelize the pagans." That's why they came to Guam. 

Thank You, Your Holiness! Together with the Cardinals and the many Bishops who have supported us, and above all in the name of the many who were far away and today bless Christ, we thank You with our whole heart. 

Asking for Your Apostolic Blessing, 

Kiko Argüello, Carmen Hernández, Fr. Mario Pezzi 


9 comments:

  1. It clear that the Neo's have had to conform to the tenets of Holy Mother Church in way The Eucharist is received. Kiko,has refused to adhere to this mandate; instead he openly refused to conform to the mandate. For the Archbishop to tell me that it has been approved by Rome and will find that authority and get back to us, is a blatant lie. What is even more bizarre is that he repeated the same lie in Toto. Unbelievable, some wonder why the people show little or no respect to you. For those who feel that the Archbishop is being attacked unfairly can you not understand that this man along with Kiko, Pius is tryting to destroy our Faith? Understand one thing, we are fighting to preserve our Faith and to protect our families from being subjected by this CULT. Rome, your faithful on Guam are pleading for your intervention to remove this cancer from our parishes. Kiko as i said, build your own churches and peace will once again prevail. However, as long as you do not return RMS, and continue to try to indoctrinate us by staffing our parishes with your clegies our opposition will continue and grow more militant, until we prevail. We will not fail, since we have the Holy Spirit who will protect and guide the True Church until the end of time.

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  2. a recent diana reply

    Diana May 9, 2015 at 10:02 AM
    Dear Eleanor Aguon,

    The change that took place in 2008 is that we receive the Body of Christ standing, then we sit and contemplate on His Body.
    We do not consume the Body of Christ immediately because the priest has not taken Holy Communion.
    We consume the Body of Christ together with the priest.

    Waiting for everyone including the priest to receive the Body of Christ is not disrespectful.
    Why?
    Because the priests do it in a concelebrated Mass.
    According to the GIRM regarding the concelebrated Mass:

    "The concelebrants may, however, remain in their places and take the Body of Christ from the paten presented to them by the principal celebrant or by one or more of the concelebrants, or by passing the paten one to another.

    Then the principal celebrant takes a host consecrated in the same Mass, holds it slightly raised above the paten or the chalice, and, facing the people, says the Ecce Agnus Dei (This is the Lamb of God).
    With the concelebrants and the people he continues, saying the Domine, non sum dignus (Lord, I am not worthy).

    Then the principal celebrant, facing the altar, says quietly, Corpus Christi custodiat me ad vitam aeternam (May the body of Christ bring me to everlasting life), and reverently receives the Body of Christ.
    The concelebrants do likewise, communicating themselves."

    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20030317_ordinamento-messale_en.html#II._CONCELEBRATED_MASS

    As you can see in a concelebrated Mass by priests and bishops, they do not consume the Body of Christ immediately.
    They wait and consume it together.
    If you say that it is disrespectful to wait, then are these priests showing disrespect because they did not consume the Body of Christ immediately, but waited?

    and many more like this

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    1. The Church, through the GIRM, is very clear on the definition of a concelebrant as it pertains to the Mass; clergy only. Not even an ordained Deacon is considered a concelebrant. "Diana" is in grave error in thinking that "she" and others in the pews are concelebrants.

      What is sad about "Diana" repeating this is that "Diana" is not one person, but a conglomeration of a number of people in a community, most likely Barrigada, sharing the writing duties. Thus, this means that the error of defining the laity or participant in the Mass as a concelebrant is an institutionalized teaching of the NCW (and just one example of how they profane and dismiss our Sacraments, this time the Sacrament of Holy Orders).

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    2. Thank you Jose, and to add that a "thank you letter from Kiko" is all a Neo needs to contradict the teachings of our faith prove that they are not Catholic, no matter how much they profess to be. The pied piper is blowing his whistle, be careful little lemmings the cliff is near.
      A Neo friend of ours, told us that they receive the Eucharist together because it is nicer when all receive the same way, as opposed to the regular Catholics who receive it standing, kneeling, in their hands, on their tongues etc. Nicer is better than being correct in a Neo's mind I guess. Although, something must be said that we as "regular Catholics" need to demonstrate reverence to what we say we believe the Eucharist to be. Don't rush back to your pew when you receive the Body of Christ. Give the Lord his due.

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  3. Thank God Kiko's way can be seen for what it is, at least by some - including the credible Roberto de Mattei:

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/06/kiko-arguello-and-neo-catechumenal-way.html

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  4. I heard Claros testify at the legislature yesterday regarding a bill pertaining to same sex marriage. He kept repeating that he is not against gay or lesbian people but against changing the definition of marriage. He said "...marriage is between a man and a woman and it has been like that for over a thousand years. Why change it?" Well Mr. Claros....the definition of marriage and our Catholic traditions that have been around for over a thousand years is exactly what the traditional Catholics, elders, and majority of the people of Guam are defending! The NEO are trying to change the traditions that have been around for over thousand years. Why change it? How do expect our senators to listen to your testimony if you and our Catholic leaders refuse to listen to ours?

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    1. Very good point 5:21 pm!! They should have booed Claros out like they did in Toto.

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  5. For there are many false prophets in the world. If someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist. The teaching of the NCW says that Jesus was a sinner. We plead on Christ’s behalf, “Be reconciled to God.” He made the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in him. Kiko's evangelization is not of God but of this world. Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God's elect. The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth.

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